College Football Should Eliminate Preseason Polls
Preseason polls are baseless, but they shape our perception of the college football season. This would be fine if the polls were merely debate fodder, but in football they matter. The coaches poll is factored into the BCS formula and influences which teams will play for the national title. Instead of placing teams into an arbitrary framework before the season, why not wait until we have seen everyone play?
Alabama is number one. Ohio State is number two. If both teams are undefeated, they almost assuredly will play in the title game. Let’s say Texas is the most dominant team in the country. They could run the table, but would have to hope Alabama or Ohio State lost or they won emphatically enough to justify knocking Alabama or Ohio State off the perch. Those teams did nothing to be placed there initially.
Even beyond the national title picture, the preseason poll affects how teams are fare. Let’s say Florida and Auburn end up being equally good teams. Both go 10-3 with virtually identical statistics. Florida is a disappointment. Auburn is a success, solely because of the preseason ranking. Florida would be ranked higher, because Auburn did not “prove” they were better.
What if the official polls began after Week Four? We would still have a vague perception of where teams fit in before that and discuss it, but nothing would be calcified. Teams would be rated on what they accomplished rather than their recruiting class and returning starters. If Texas looked better than Alabama after four games, they would be ahead of Alabama in the initial poll. If Notre Dame plowed through Purdue, Michigan, MSU and Stanford, that would justify a high ranking.
Starting the official polls at midseason would make them more fair and more accurate. They would reflect a team’s performance this season, rather than how teams performed relative to what we first thought.
Beginning the polls later also would incentivize teams to justify themselves with a competitive non-conference schedule. Alabama would be jockeying for a number one ranking rather than maintaining it. They don’t schedule both San Jose St. and Duke and play off national television two of the first three weeks.
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September 1st, 2010 at 1:46 PM
THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
September 1st, 2010 at 1:48 PM
Not trying to be a pain in the ass, but this situation…has happened before.
September 1st, 2010 at 1:48 PM
exception to the rule.
September 1st, 2010 at 1:48 PM
But then how would we know who is good, and what games to watch?
September 1st, 2010 at 1:49 PM
hasn’t sorry. HASN’T really happened before.
September 1st, 2010 at 1:49 PM
not necessarily because of their preseason ranking…florida would be a disappointment because of how successful they’ve been while auburn’s season’s success is almost entirely dependent on beating bammer.
September 1st, 2010 at 1:49 PM
I agree with most of this, except for this:
None of those teams are any good.
September 1st, 2010 at 1:49 PM
this is why i need to stop trusting you. first the petersen fiasco, now this.
September 1st, 2010 at 1:49 PM
Having polls determine who the two teams to play in the title game if/when there are multiple deserving teams is dumb but that’s the way it is.
/Hornsby’d
//Tu-Pac’d
September 1st, 2010 at 1:50 PM
I agree with your conclusion duffy, but I’m not sure I agree with how you got there.
Didn’t Alabama leapfrog Florida in the polls last season before the SEC title game? If one team is dominant, they can jump another one.
Preseason rankings are baseless though, for sure. The coaches or AP poll are among some of my favorite things to debate during the season. TBL’s top 25 post last year provided some of the best discussion we had.
September 1st, 2010 at 1:51 PM
Aren’t the preseason polls really more for publicity than anything else?
September 1st, 2010 at 1:51 PM
it might be just because the team i root for almost always has a high preseason ranking but you gotta start somewhere and preseason polls are kind of a necessity.
September 1st, 2010 at 1:51 PM
???
September 1st, 2010 at 1:51 PM
They shouldn’t have polls till like week 4
September 1st, 2010 at 1:51 PM
yep. there should be one poll during the regular season, not 5 or whatever
September 1st, 2010 at 1:52 PM
LOL
September 1st, 2010 at 1:52 PM
The AP poll is entirely for publicity for the entirety of the season. The coach’s poll does figure into the BCS formula though.
September 1st, 2010 at 1:52 PM
take a broom, and shove it up your ass.
September 1st, 2010 at 1:52 PM
Apparently other people have reached this same conclusion
September 1st, 2010 at 1:53 PM
Playoffs!
September 1st, 2010 at 1:53 PM
Doesn’t matter Lefto, ND would get a generous ranking because of their brand value. Don Draper would tell you the same thing.
September 1st, 2010 at 1:53 PM
a common refrain, but it doesn’t make much sense…that’s right after cupcake season and we still don’t know shit other than a small handful of teams who are disappointments that will find their way off the polls eventually.
September 1st, 2010 at 1:53 PM
I still wonder if there was a way to know for sure if polls coming out Oct 1st would be any different than they turned out being…the first month is mostly teams playing cupcakes so judging the “most dominant” start could be tricky (say Penn State somehow beats Alabama in September, that mean they’re automatically #1 in the first poll or would people still rank them by how good they were perceived being)
September 1st, 2010 at 1:54 PM
Draper and Notre Dame’s brands peaked at about the same time.
September 1st, 2010 at 1:54 PM
This wouldn’t get rid of all the biases, though. Even if there were no pre-season polls, I bet 95 percent of the voters would still vote an unimpressive but 6-0 Alabama team ahead of a 6-0 Stanford team that plows through its opponents. Just because one’s Alabama and the other’s Stanford.
September 1st, 2010 at 1:54 PM
They ought to pick the title game contenders the same way they pick the Pope.
September 1st, 2010 at 1:54 PM
/JPQ’d
September 1st, 2010 at 1:54 PM
the way i see polls are like this…they’re a story unfolding, not a stock snapshot. aren’t the polls usually correct by the end of the year? that’s the only polls that matter, but you have to start somewhere.
September 1st, 2010 at 1:54 PM
ND fans have been waking up next to Doris for 15 years now
September 1st, 2010 at 1:55 PM
problem isnt polling in week 1 its that voters are too reluctant to move teams they previously ranked high for fear of looking stupid
September 1st, 2010 at 1:55 PM
The coaches poll should start a month into the season. Other polls that are not a factor in the BCS can start whenever they want.
Good post.
September 1st, 2010 at 1:55 PM
But first, I want to shine it up real nice, then turn it sideways,
/Rock’d
September 1st, 2010 at 1:56 PM
So do college football posts generate 100 times more views than NFL posts or something?
September 1st, 2010 at 1:56 PM
Interesting perspective.
/seriously
September 1st, 2010 at 1:56 PM
This!
September 1st, 2010 at 1:56 PM
+ 1 Capri Sun to Amy Horonzy & Butterballs
September 1st, 2010 at 1:56 PM
shut yo mouf.
September 1st, 2010 at 1:56 PM
probably…there’s more passionate fandom in CFB.
September 1st, 2010 at 1:57 PM
Consensus rankings for each of those, via here:
Notre Dame – 29
Purdue – NR
Michigan – NR
MSU – NR
Stanford – 33
September 1st, 2010 at 1:57 PM
But bama is playing PSU, Ohio St/miami etc—i dont think delaying the polls would affect OOC scheduling.
September 1st, 2010 at 1:57 PM
Not sure about views, but I think the commentariat appears to be much more passionate about the college game.
September 1st, 2010 at 1:57 PM
Well God Damn Duffy, you have been on fire lately. Kudos!
September 1st, 2010 at 1:57 PM
Doesn’t matter Lefto, ND would get a generous ranking because of their brand value. Don Draper would tell you the same thing.
Truly alla Notre Dame fan has is a carousel of memories.
September 1st, 2010 at 1:57 PM
Would Urban Meyer then come out of the tunnel in one of these?
September 1st, 2010 at 1:58 PM
preseason polls are more for the teams than the fans and media. coaches and players use “snubbed” rankings as motivation for early games. so yes, preseason polls should remain.
September 1st, 2010 at 1:58 PM
Is the data you’re using based on… preseason polls?
September 1st, 2010 at 1:58 PM
no. but your question (I’m guessing, ‘where are the NFL posts?’) will be explained next week
September 1st, 2010 at 1:58 PM
Just being honest…is there really much to discuss with the NFL right now?
September 1st, 2010 at 1:59 PM
Why do people continually look for problems with CFB? It will get huge ratings, stadiums will be packed, and I will be drunk. Where’s the problem?
September 1st, 2010 at 1:59 PM
No way the TV stations go for this and it isn’t a big enough deal for anyone to want to stand up against it.
September 1st, 2010 at 1:59 PM
Yes.
No. The ones before the BCS bids are handed out matter, too.
September 1st, 2010 at 1:59 PM
that and the eyeball test from last year along with following each school’s offseason.
it’s not like any of those non-ND teams have had some massive influx of talent and/or coaching coming in that’ll dramatically raise them above their mean averages for winning.
tho im bullish on ND this year. i like kelly and there’s a ton of talent on that roster.
September 1st, 2010 at 1:59 PM
ya see this?
/snaps fingers with left hand
//punches lefty with a right cross
September 1st, 2010 at 1:59 PM
Along with the iPhone app? And the mobile site?
September 1st, 2010 at 2:00 PM
About as much as there is with college football, namely who’s going to be good, what are the best games in week one, blah, blah, blah…
September 1st, 2010 at 2:00 PM
youre a penn state fan
September 1st, 2010 at 2:00 PM
Feel free to point out which of those teams is good, or should be highly ranked if they were to plow through the others in the early season.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:00 PM
that’s what i was referring to, tho i didn’t explain it clearly. i don’t think many people care about the TRUE final poll…hell, i couldn’t even tell you what OSU was ranked after the rose bowl last year.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:01 PM
Well I think everyone was expecting a post per team. Instead I’m thinking we’re getting a post that just has DIVISIONAL previews, with a paragraph devoted to each team.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:01 PM
None of those teams is any good.
Those are four solid teams and you can’t find another team in America who plays four solid games to open the season. If you beat four solid teams to begin the season then you deserve to be ranked.
/Not a Domer
September 1st, 2010 at 2:01 PM
This.
In theory, eliminating pre-season polls is a nice thought. In reality, all you would be doing is pushing off the exact same problems to a later date.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:01 PM
no. but your question (I’m guessing, ‘where are the NFL posts?’) will be explained next week
You are going to have Cap Rooney taken out to the lake and shot?
September 1st, 2010 at 2:01 PM
Irrelevant guys getting cut and who makes what practice squad… sooooooo, no.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:02 PM
no but while BCS conference teams are playing those solid teams, ND is playing service acadamies, duke and USC.
not hating on ND’s schedule, they just chose to front load it.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:02 PM
Who’s going to be good, who’s going to suck, why will Dallas and the Jets fall on their faces, why will the Chargers be better without Tomlinson, why are the Raiders better than most people think, why are the Packers SB favorites with such a horrible defense, how long until Whitehurst starts in Seattle, who’s starting QB in Pittsburgh, how overrated is Baltimore, why do people think Detroit will be good with a high school defense, why are most people writing off the Vikings, aren’t the Bears hilarious… etc
September 1st, 2010 at 2:03 PM
This post reminds me of something…hmm, oh yeah, 2004.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:04 PM
Wetzel wrote about that today
September 1st, 2010 at 2:04 PM
Yes I have never heard this College football preseason poll topic before.
/up next playoffs?
September 1st, 2010 at 2:04 PM
That’s pretty ridiculous, I wasn’t expecting that, at the very least maybe two posts for playoff predictions in each conference? But I for one welcome our new FSV overlords…
September 1st, 2010 at 2:04 PM
I will. In about a month. Because, you see, it’s preseason now.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:04 PM
More academic fraud and arrests in the college game though…but the NFL provides more fat quarterbacks possibly dating stars of the Hills so it’s really a toss-up for intrigue
September 1st, 2010 at 2:05 PM
Slight TJ…
One thing I just realized regarding Big Ten Divisional realignment… MSU is going to blow the doors off of everyone in their division in basketball.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:05 PM
And while we’re complaining about college football stuff, can we have it out with the weak non-con schedule complaining. Strength of schedule should be based on overall schedule, including conference play. If a top-10 team plays nobody out of conference, but plays enough tough teams in conference to constitute a top-10 schedule, they should not be punished or looked down upon for previously stated non-con. Wait, that’s 2004 again.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:06 PM
Weeze… c’mon. You couldn’t include TEBOW? Not even for me?
/actually ordered a Tebow jersey yesterday
September 1st, 2010 at 2:06 PM
Jesus, I’m not sure my body can take any more bullets.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:06 PM
The problem is, and I’m just being honest, is that 90% of sports coverage is NFL coverage. While this is not a new topic, college football gets more play, simply because it’s NOT beat to death by the media…
September 1st, 2010 at 2:06 PM
TJ
End TJ
September 1st, 2010 at 2:07 PM
Leftwich.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:07 PM
Cuban Pete did just hand them a decent CB for next to nothing…
September 1st, 2010 at 2:07 PM
A-friggin’-men.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:07 PM
no but while BCS conference teams are playing those solid teams, ND is playing service acadamies, duke and USC.
Has USC fallen that far in everyone’s mind????
/Just threw up in my mouth a little bit
September 1st, 2010 at 2:07 PM
I didn’t mean to completely derail the thread, I just have a hard time understanding why the same college football talking points are eagerly recycled while there’s other stuff going on. It’s all about headlines and page views, I get it, but still… I can only take so many months of this.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:07 PM
WHO CRRRRRS…SIXBURGH!
/swills meth
//fucks cousin
September 1st, 2010 at 2:07 PM
Doesn’t affect basketball. But if it did, you’d be right. MSU generally blows the doors off of anyone in the B10 anyways, too.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:07 PM
NFC East Preview:
Cowboys – Miles Austin banging Kim K. Romo is finally out of the spotlight and won a playoff game 11-5
Eagles – Kolb Replaces McNabb and is betterer. 10-6
Redskins – Shanahan coached Portis and he had his best season. We thinks history repeats itself. 8-8
Giants – These guys are clowns. Sanchez tore them apart. 4-12
/TBL
September 1st, 2010 at 2:07 PM
So do college football posts generate 100 times more views than NFL posts or something?
NBA posts. Ballin’
September 1st, 2010 at 2:08 PM
News to me
September 1st, 2010 at 2:08 PM
I’ve heard it’s just for football…
September 1st, 2010 at 2:08 PM
not at all…just that USC is the only truly tough team ND plays during the part of the year when every BCS team in in the middle of their conference slate.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:09 PM
You’re kidding right? I can’t even get baseball analysis this time of year…it’s all NFL all the time.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:09 PM
Pretty sure most people have been saying this for a while now, but when they get clicks galore and people go out and buy mags because of them, they aren’t going anywhere.
It doesn’t matter if the poll comes out week-1 or week-8 if those who vote in it are uninformed, which is the case in a lot of the voters now.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:09 PM
I’m with you on the NFL being a far superior product but a lot of the commenters here are under 30 as I understand it and studies show that the younger you are the more you like college sports over the pros…I’m sure there’s some nostalgic reasons for this
September 1st, 2010 at 2:09 PM
In theory, eliminating pre-season polls is a nice thought. In reality, all you would be doing is pushing off the exact same problems to a later date.
This
September 1st, 2010 at 2:09 PM
totally agree
September 1st, 2010 at 2:09 PM
that’s because baseball sucks.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:09 PM
selfish fans/media are the only people bothered by the concept of preseason polls.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:09 PM
that’s pretty good sparty
September 1st, 2010 at 2:10 PM
NFL and CFB aren’t superior or inferior, just different.
if you want inferior, check out NCAA hoops. shit’s glorified AAU/HS bullshit.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:11 PM
Do you know that for a fact? Logic would suggest that teams would be guaranteed two games with every other team in their division, which would not be the case for inter-divisional games.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:11 PM
Where are you looking? There’s more than enough baseball stuff everywhere if you’re looking for it. If you’re relying on ESPN or whatever for a big generalized recap of daily stuff, you get what you deserve.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:11 PM
Brilliant!
AFC EAST:
Jets – Sanchez. Second year, great recievers, great D. 12-4
Miami – Henne & Brandon Marshall, but where’s Jason Taylor? Oh, that’s right. 10-6
Patriots – Tom Brady needs to wear more hats and cut that goddamn hair. 9-7 with hair, 11-5 without
Jets, again – Tough schedule, hedge bets! 7-9
Bills – Who? 2-14
/please dont ban me
September 1st, 2010 at 2:11 PM
I wish this were true. But we really haven’t dominated the conference.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:11 PM
logic would suggest that nebraska basketball is for the birds.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:11 PM
I can’t even get baseball analysis this time of year…
that’s because you’re a Rays fan. the rest of the country actually follow their own teams.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:12 PM
You need to watch more YES. You know Bernie Williams has a band OMG?!
September 1st, 2010 at 2:12 PM
NFL Live has been on since MARCH FIRST. MARCH. FIRST. It’s insanity.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:12 PM
This.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:13 PM
fixed
September 1st, 2010 at 2:13 PM
The pros are universally superior because of superior talent. That’s why they get paid more than the college guys.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:13 PM
College Football Live is year-round too, homie.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:13 PM
I guess I don’t understand complaining about NFL coverage. I mean, I love baseball, but does anyone not think football is awesome? Who wants less NFL? Not me.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:14 PM
Bo owns Izzo!
/In Janaury
September 1st, 2010 at 2:14 PM
Because you know you like baseball, it’s just your team that has you down.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:14 PM
On the move? No. There isn’t.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:14 PM
Doesn’t that cover recruiting though?
September 1st, 2010 at 2:14 PM
stop. just stop. don’t get all stupid after you did such a great job of building yourself up.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:14 PM
This is true, and their offenses and defenses are much better to watch, but I still love me some college football. Of course, I’ve been known to tailgate at pop warner games, so I may have a problem.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:15 PM
Short, lame, and unfunny?
September 1st, 2010 at 2:15 PM
NFL and CFB aren’t superior or inferior, just different.
if you want inferior, check out NCAA hoops. shit’s glorified AAU/HS bullshit.
that’s just dumb.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:15 PM
Very true
Not true at all. I love NCAA basketball and NBA equally. It’s just different like football is.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:15 PM
AFC East Preview:
Jets – Start off 1-3 without Revis but then revis comes back and they run the table. 13-3
Dolphins – Suprise fast start facilitated by Revis being out in the first matchup. Hang on to get a wild card. 10-6
Patriots – Suprise fast start facilitated by Revis being out in the first matchup. Loses tiebreaker to the dolphins for wildcard (hooray). 10-6
Bills – Suprise fast start facilitated by Revis being out in the first matchup. Wheels fall off shortly after. Leinart starts by week 10. 4-12
/TBL
September 1st, 2010 at 2:15 PM
On ESPNU…A station that also shows College bass fishing. Just saying.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:16 PM
Precisely my point. While on the other side you have OSU, Illinois, Indiana, Purdue. The second best hoops squad in MSU’s division is… Northwestern?
September 1st, 2010 at 2:16 PM
Scouting the players or the cheerleaders?
September 1st, 2010 at 2:16 PM
And if anything, the NBA would be glorified AAU. At least stylistically.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:16 PM
Loved it.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:16 PM
typically shortsighted pennsyltuckian logic there, methy…
superior talent can often mean inferior etnertainment. how many truly exciting regular season NFL games are there? a small handful? there’s a handful every week in CFB.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:16 PM
MLB Network? Baseball Reference’s blog? Baseball Today podcast? RSS feeds of random columnists? Twitter feed of guys like Rob Neyer? None of these things work?
September 1st, 2010 at 2:17 PM
Im going to my first high school game of the season this friday!
Go Alma Mater of Kerry Collins and Chad Henne!
September 1st, 2010 at 2:17 PM
Okay, I get it. You love college football and don’t want people to talk about the NFL. I’m not anti-college at all. I love football in general. Would I like every post to not disintegrate into a “my school’s history/tradition is better than yours?” Probably, but I gave up on that long ago so I’m just rolling with it.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:17 PM
please…the level of skill and precision in the pro game dwarfs college hoops. this isn’t even arguable.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:17 PM
Who wants less NFL?
it’s pathetic how the NFL (or its outlets, at least) try to make it into a year around story.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:18 PM
Both. The Icebox’s snotty cousin can get it.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:18 PM
you are from Cleveland, right?
September 1st, 2010 at 2:18 PM
I love the Wisky-MSU rivalry as of late. You can tell both sides are bothered by the other team’s success. Wisky over MSU, and MSU over the NCAA Tournament
September 1st, 2010 at 2:19 PM
Is there a sport that doesn’t try and do this? The NBA is just as bad if not worse in this regard, IMO
September 1st, 2010 at 2:19 PM
Was the girls name Icebox? I haven’t seen that movie in years. It would be kinda funny that a twelve year old girl was called “ice box”.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:19 PM
It pisses Izzo off that he can’t win in the Kohl Center.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:19 PM
On ESPNU…A station that also shows College bass fishing. Just saying.
BASS fishing is a better product than the college angling.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:19 PM
yep, but whatever insult you’re about to throw to me doesn’t change the infallibility of my argument.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:19 PM
Depends on what you define as exciting. There are lots of pinball score games in CFB that bright flashy things people would define as exciting, when it’s really just bad defense. Conversely, there are some NFL games that can be tough to watch due to an imbalance between the two teams’ QB’s.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:20 PM
lollercoaster. +1
retard.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:20 PM
That is not what I’m saying at all. I’m saying crying about more pro football coverage is like a billionaire crying for $100…
September 1st, 2010 at 2:20 PM
Yep. I think Spike says something like, “Whatever, Ice Chest.”
The Great Kevin O’Shea!
And the Annexation of Puerto Rico, which I think was just a modified hook ‘n ladder.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:20 PM
beautiful preemptive strike
September 1st, 2010 at 2:21 PM
They are just supplying product to meet the demand. ‘Mericans love us some footbaw.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:21 PM
There are lots of pinball score games in CFB that bright flashy things people would define as exciting, when it’s really just bad defense.
Offense is exciting but it can get old afterall. See Arena Football and its 72-57 scores for evidence of this.
That being said, I still prefer the greater level of offense due to poor defense or mismatched teams or whatever you want to call it over the NFL.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:22 PM
Lot of sexual tension in the thread right now.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:22 PM
haha.
i’m not going to insult you. just wanted to be sure. it is one of the foulest places i’ve been.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:22 PM
as an admitted football snob, i find both to be exciting.
sometimes i like to see a superior-in-every-way football team just manhandle an overmatched opponent, and sometimes i like to see a well executed chess match.
that said, there are more exciting games in CFB because there are more games period. this is inarguable. CFB has more of the extremes.
plus, the most exciting thing about the NFL is the line play and defensive front 7′s…and thanks to shitty camera work, these things are kinda hard to see without a DVR.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:22 PM
True. But college basketball is like everything the WNBA claims to be, except with actual athletes. They score less and turnover the ball more because, you know, they play defense. Some teams even press. In the NBA, teams play defense once every 10 possessions.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:22 PM
Oh, I’m not asking for more NFL posts. I just enjoy NFL discussion in the comments. I also greatly enjoy CFB discussion, that’s why I’m excited for the season to start, so it’s not “my school is better than your school” like it’s been while we’ve been killing time during baseball season.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:22 PM
Not coverage, discussion. It annoys other people to have to hijack every other thread for NFL talk. But in the meantime we have College Football Post 719-D, so it gets a tad irritating.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:22 PM
Late to the party due to lunch, a stupid work e-mail fiasco and phone call from my mom but
DING DING DING!! We have a winner!
September 1st, 2010 at 2:22 PM
Also the crowd/atmosphere is better
September 1st, 2010 at 2:22 PM
That is not what I’m saying at all. I’m saying crying about more pro football coverage is like a billionaire crying for $100…
Very much agree.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:22 PM
Wait… THERE’S COLLEGE BASS FISHING AND NO ONE TOLD ME?!?!
September 1st, 2010 at 2:23 PM
if by foul you mean underrated and lovely in the summer, i agree with yinz.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:23 PM
oh boy.
/pours one out for NickP
September 1st, 2010 at 2:23 PM
Sanders: You don’t think that the NFL dominates sports media? I thought this was just one of those accpeted facts. It is what it is. When a sport makes that much money and gets the ratings it gets, of course it will be talked abotu more (far more, actually) than any other sport. I have grown to really like the NFL, but some of the media coverage of it is hilariously overdone.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:24 PM
September 1st, 2010 at 2:24 PM
Yeah, I really wish we could see what the corners and safeties are doing from time to time. That’s what pisses me off most about the camerawork.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:24 PM
It should piss Bo off that he never beats anybody worth a crap anywhere else.
/hates Bo
September 1st, 2010 at 2:24 PM
Is there a sport that doesn’t try and do this? The NBA is just as bad if not worse in this regard, IMO
look at it in terms of just the draft alone: NFL makes their draft a spring-long process; the NBA has a lottery and then a one night draft. MLB and NHL drafts are non-existent for most fans.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:24 PM
Any sport that gets as much media coverage over a trade of a really average quarterback (Jay Cutler) like the NFL did, really takes the cake.
Outside of LeBron, which the NBA even denounced, what is the media or NBA doing to make itself a story?
September 1st, 2010 at 2:24 PM
im beginning to debate if you watch the NBA.
college hoops defense is a farce. not only are the schemes elementary at best thanks to no fundamentals taught in HS/AAU levels, but the offense is typically so bad in college that it skews any stat you have to support this argument.
slapping the floor doesn’t equal good defense.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:25 PM
I don’t think I ever said it didn’t dominate the media.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:25 PM
For example, the existence of Ed Werder.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:25 PM
agreed…NFL should have an all-22 channel. id pay $500 per year for this.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:26 PM
Anyone here an Eagles fan? Has their O-line improved?
September 1st, 2010 at 2:26 PM
This is my stance. In fact sometimes the media coverage turns me off. For example. I really don’t bother with Monday night football unless it’s a great matchup or the Fins are playing. WAY WAY too overdone.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:26 PM
Yeah, but let’s not kid ourselves, NBA defense starts in June; with the exception of Allen Ezail Iverson.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:27 PM
DING DING DING!! We have a winner!
Central Mich still won’t be ranked in Oct.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:27 PM
That had a lot to do with it taking place during a dead time on the sports calendar, the acrimony with which he and his agent left the situation and that he went to a QB-starved major market.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:27 PM
you shut your mouth leprechaun…the hank williams intro could get me excited for browns/bills let alone two good teams.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:28 PM
lebron is the nba
September 1st, 2010 at 2:29 PM
spencer, stop. outside of a handful of extremely talented players, college football defense is the same thing. you have very few guys that are top notch defenders with great instincts. college football team defense is not overly impressive except maybe a 5 or 10 teams each season.
this is the most subjective argument anyway…
September 1st, 2010 at 2:29 PM
It’s a lot better than it had been. No ridiculous in-booth guests. No annoying would-be comedian pontificating about Brett Favre every three seconds. Still the ESPN presentation, which sucks, but the announcing booth is much better. Gruden kills me.l
September 1st, 2010 at 2:29 PM
Same. Then Tirico and JAws start talking and I want to blow my fucking head off.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:29 PM
Yes. Probably not, but maybe.
Peters is an enigma. Herremans appears to be healthy and is fantastic. If Jamaal Jackson is actually healthy and effective it’s genuinely reason to be excited. Right guard is a mess. Winston Justice still looks good and I continue to be as surprised as anyone.
Keys to the line are how hard Peters pushes himself and the health of Jackson, who might start week 1 apparently.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:30 PM
This is my stance. In fact sometimes the media coverage turns me off. For example. I really don’t bother with Monday night football unless it’s a great matchup or the Fins are playing. WAY WAY too overdone.
Half of the promo music for the NFL or networks showing NFL games is filled with tubular bells and other dramatic, intense sounding music. It’s quite comical. Makes it sound like each game is a life or death struggle. The only thing the presentation is missing is the now dead movie trailer announcer who started each one with “In a world where…..good and evil are intertwined” or something like that.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:30 PM
I don’t understand the Tirico hate. The guy is informed and informative.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:30 PM
it’s not that NBA players aren’t trying hard, it’s that they’re so good it looks effortless.
/NBA apologist
September 1st, 2010 at 2:30 PM
Months of free agent bullshit followed by weeks of “predictions,” including many people giving the Miami Heat the next 10 titles. Spare me.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:30 PM
I think it’s always going to be this way. The majority of college football defenders simply aren’t athletic enough to counter offensive coordinators’ schemes. Conversely, it’s not as impressive when a QB never takes a snap under center and has one read on every play.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:31 PM
so what? football is an inherently better sport than basketball. how do you not understand this?
September 1st, 2010 at 2:31 PM
Tirico? He’s fine. Gruden fell from grace really fast.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:31 PM
How about we give you a channel where we just bounce you from game to game and all you get to see is TD passes and guys running into the end zone? How much would you pay for that?
September 1st, 2010 at 2:31 PM
I guarantee I watch it at least as much as you. Granted mostly the Nets, but still. Yes the defense isn’t as good and is aided by the fact that the offense isn’t as good either, but the defense is played. In the NBA, the defense is more simplistic. Zone has only been allowed for a few years, there’s never a press…
September 1st, 2010 at 2:31 PM
Well, if SC would realize that Iowa fucking sucks, it w
September 1st, 2010 at 2:32 PM
okay, that I will agree with. just stop with arguing that college and the pros are interchangeable with football and that the nba and college are worlds apart.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:32 PM
Gruden is hilarious. Dorsey Levens looks really good tonight!
September 1st, 2010 at 2:33 PM
yep, but whatever insult you’re about to throw to me doesn’t change the infallibility of my argument.
haha.
i’m not going to insult you. just wanted to be sure. it is one of the foulest places i’ve been.
Don’t come back!
September 1st, 2010 at 2:33 PM
$0
September 1st, 2010 at 2:33 PM
agreed with sparty. you can’t single out one professional development league over the other.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:33 PM
definitely…they could name their price as far as i’m concerned.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:33 PM
he’s been doing that all preseason.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:34 PM
that’s not true at all…a press doesn’t work in the NBA because teams CAN ACTUALLY BREAK IT.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:34 PM
Nobody pushes manufactured storylines like he does. I know he’s a company man and just doing what he’s told but guys like Al Michaels don’t put up with that shit.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:34 PM
Ok, never mind my argument. Probably why I like college hoops so much is because basketball is my favorite sport running away. I’ve found most people who don’t like basketball that much like college more than the NBA though, so that’s kinda weird.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:34 PM
He can’t call a fucking game. He’s a hack. Think of the greats, would you even put that guy near a list of those guys?
September 1st, 2010 at 2:34 PM
but i thought these guys know how to play defense? your logic is all kinds of fucked up.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:35 PM
What about hitting your head against the basket support?
September 1st, 2010 at 2:35 PM
Dorsey Levens!
September 1st, 2010 at 2:36 PM
Al Michaels is great. That podcast with him and Simmons was good listening. Michaels and Collinsworth is as good as it gets right now, I think. Aikman is terrible. Simmons alternates between insightful and her her her ba der.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:36 PM
when he first started calling games, college particularly, he was just fine. but he is saddle with two guys who won’t shut the hell up. plus you know that a producer is in his ear telling him to do certain things. i think he is fine as a play-by-play guy.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:36 PM
Simms*
September 1st, 2010 at 2:36 PM
interchangeable? when did i say that? they’re just different but equally entertaining because football is teh awesome. i never said i could live without one if i had the other.
but in hoops, it’s totally different. you’re right nba and college hoops are worlds’ apart…kinda like the difference between the USA and somalia.
plus college hoops has roy williams…EW!!!
September 1st, 2010 at 2:37 PM
Tirico is the worst. he should have been fired when he got in trouble for groping and sexual harrassment. hack of all hacks
September 1st, 2010 at 2:37 PM
the nba is boring as hell until may.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:38 PM
Uh oh…
September 1st, 2010 at 2:38 PM
no it’s not…my logic is the NBA has better execution, which is so true, you didn’t even hear the 15,000 pound, bunker busting truth bomb coming until it was too late.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:38 PM
Simms’ voice is just grating. “Tyyyyyyyme and tyyyyyme agaaaain, that will happen, but this tyyyyyyyyyme…”
September 1st, 2010 at 2:38 PM
Today we will be serving baked clams, caviar, shrimp cocktail, chicken marsala and beef tenderloin. The bar is cash and please remember to tip your waitresses and waiters.
/that’s my way of calling y’all snobs again
September 1st, 2010 at 2:38 PM
Dorsey Levens looks really good every night
/Possibly homo
September 1st, 2010 at 2:38 PM
I held a party when he quit calling the big college games and got the Big Ten nooners, then somehow, he worked his way back up.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:38 PM
Wait… aren’t you an NBA fan?
September 1st, 2010 at 2:38 PM
You just turned into some sort of weird fetch/sportsgal hybrid. I don’t know if I’m comfortable with that.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:39 PM
i’m not reading 208 comments. anything good? i have long said preseason polls are silly, but the media (WWL) will not let them go. and don’t forget….click on my name (until i get banned)
September 1st, 2010 at 2:39 PM
the nba is boring as hell until may.
Uh oh…
he is mad his pistons aren’t on national TV this year
September 1st, 2010 at 2:40 PM
NBA teams don’t press for the same reason that NFL teams don’t employ the triple option.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:40 PM
Meant to respond to this sooner but in places like Arkansas, Alabama and West Virginia, where the closest NFL team is in the same state as their biggest rival… it makes sense why college football would have a big following.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:40 PM
;
September 1st, 2010 at 2:40 PM
Well, he does live in Ann Arbor. Isn’t that reason enough?
September 1st, 2010 at 2:41 PM
There is no greater meshing on earth.
/winks at gal
September 1st, 2010 at 2:41 PM
that’s it, i am done arguing with you being wrong for the eleventy millionth time about this. so i am just going to call you an asshat, which is the Internets way of ending it.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:41 PM
anything good?
No. Just another bitch fight over whether certain sports are better collegpro chickenwings ribs
/Mindjustsploded.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:41 PM
this.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:41 PM
No one has said why he’s bad at calling games, which is typical. “HE’S A HACK LOLZ!!”
September 1st, 2010 at 2:41 PM
Fuck Iowa
/high fives Spencer (and everyone else)
September 1st, 2010 at 2:41 PM
i’m not reading 208 comments. anything good? i have long said preseason polls are silly, but the media (WWL) will not let them go. and don’t forget….click on my name (until i get banned)
;
+ !
September 1st, 2010 at 2:42 PM
I like it, but not nearly as much as college.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:42 PM
Absolutely. I’ll get killed but I’d put Nantz and Simms next probably.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:42 PM
An important rule that almost all play by play guys don’t adhere to nowadays: just call the damn game, I’m not tuning in to hear your opinios.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:42 PM
i’ll tell you when you’re done arguing with me.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:42 PM
I’m am strongly considering moving 4 o’clock cocktails up to 3 o’clock cocktails…
September 1st, 2010 at 2:43 PM
spence, TSH and ms—i am coming for all of you
manny ramirez having a nice day in spanish (HR, single)
September 1st, 2010 at 2:43 PM
I think this has been bestowed on every sportswriter/analyst in the country at one point or another here
September 1st, 2010 at 2:44 PM
This.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:44 PM
No one has said why he’s bad at calling games, which is typical.
all his incidents w/ women were misunderstandings. fuck that guy
September 1st, 2010 at 2:44 PM
I like them. But I’ll get killed for putting Buck ahead of anyone but Al. Nantz is better at calling the non-violent sports.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:45 PM
I wouldn’t disagree. Sam Rosen and Tim Ryan are way up there. Coming in dead last, Thom Brennaman and whoever.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:45 PM
What idiot put this menu together, the Gordon’s Fisherman? Way too heavy on the seafood, especially if you go with chicken marsala and a beef tenderloin (which makes no sense by the way). Try seared diver scallops on a bed of wilted spinach with a roasted tomatoe coulis. Then transition into a medium rare tenderloin with a smooth horseradish cream on the side. You can start with a pear and endive salad if you’re so inclined.
Amateur.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:45 PM
tirico and his ilk–they’re fun to watch get fat as their career progresses (see Berman, Chris and Saunders, John)
September 1st, 2010 at 2:45 PM
fuck my face off.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:45 PM
I’m sorry, but as far as popularity goes.
LSU >>> New Orleans
UGA >>>> Atlanta
Florida >>>> All three Florida NFL teams
The only team with a legit popularity advantage in the “football belt” are the Cowboys, and even then, Texas would give them one hell of a run for their money.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:46 PM
Try seared diver scallops on a bed of wilted spinach with a roasted tomatoe coulis. Then transition into a medium rare tenderloin with a smooth horseradish cream on the side. You can start with a pear and endive salad if you’re so inclined.
food metrosexual
September 1st, 2010 at 2:46 PM
He’s bad for college (all of FOX is bad for CFB, band shots!) but they give him Brian Billick for the NFL and I think that works
September 1st, 2010 at 2:46 PM
Delonte West to the Celtics
September 1st, 2010 at 2:46 PM
Sounds like a challenge in my opinio…
September 1st, 2010 at 2:47 PM
Your monocle fell into the toilet, Husker.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:47 PM
Poor SC. Can’t even get a job catering the All 22 lounge.
Also, Nessler > Tirico.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:47 PM
Sam Rosen has to be 3/4 bird: http://www.jewishsports.org/jewishsports/photos/sam%20rosen%20pic_edited-1.jpg
September 1st, 2010 at 2:47 PM
Shit, high school teams are more popular than the cowboys in Texas.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:47 PM
tomatoe
fuck my face off.
it’s ok as long as you pronounce it like professor higgins
/i’m so pretty and witty and wise!
September 1st, 2010 at 2:48 PM
Oysters and scotch.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:49 PM
There’s a jewishsports.org? Finally, something to fill the rest of my day
September 1st, 2010 at 2:49 PM
Oysters and scotch.
In the same shot glass!! High five!!
/i hate scotch
September 1st, 2010 at 2:49 PM
The only team with a legit popularity advantage in the “football belt” are the Cowboys
Their direct competition is TCU and SMU. Not exactly worldbeaters to go up against for a following.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:49 PM
Hell hath no fury like a Manny motivated.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:49 PM
Is Peyton Manning on the banner after being dropped by Black Sports Online?
September 1st, 2010 at 2:50 PM
In the same shot glass!! High five!!
/i hate scotch
Philistine.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:50 PM
Nessler is so underrated and undervalued.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:50 PM
ms is going to kick your ass for shooting scotch.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:50 PM
There’s a jewishsports.org?
Reminds me of the pamphlet from Airplane entitled “Famous Jewish Athletes”.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:51 PM
No homer for Manny but for the second straight day he was on deck while a three run homer was hit…and then the Indians pitcher drilled him when he came up
September 1st, 2010 at 2:51 PM
Should be the #2 in terms of CFB announcing teams behind only Uncle Brent and Herbie.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:52 PM
Why waste the effort?
September 1st, 2010 at 2:52 PM
No, oyster shooters go vodka with a splash of tabasco. You don’t fuck with the scotch.
Shut your dirty whore mouth and get bent.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:52 PM
oh, butters, i got my ramirez’s mixed up. thanks. farmer keeps pronouncing the J in Indians’ Jimenez. is that right? and here goes the bad bullpen work
September 1st, 2010 at 2:53 PM
Shut your dirty whore mouth and get bent.
sticks and stones may break my bones, but I have a bourbon fountain
September 1st, 2010 at 2:53 PM
I’m not surprised, but that’s definitely true in Arkansas and WV. In Kentucky, no one gave a fuck about football but every other southern state I’ve lived in NCAA FB was king.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:54 PM
Outside Nebraska, we generally refer to him as the “Gorton’s Fisherman”.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:55 PM
Philistine.
Ben Stein…who’s Philis?
/this is fun
September 1st, 2010 at 2:55 PM
Fine. Then you’re cool.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:57 PM
Fine. Then you’re cool.
whew
a wsox winner! choo strikes out swinging. typing of choo, if you click on my name you can read about him when he was in Class A….
/what?
September 1st, 2010 at 3:01 PM
most likely target for Mr west has to be ray allens mom right
September 1st, 2010 at 3:05 PM
I just know him by the jingle. Definitdely thought it was Gordon. 1,000 apologies.
September 1st, 2010 at 3:19 PM
Just messin’ with ya, HuskerDawg.
September 1st, 2010 at 8:42 PM
Division 1 problem, the mythical national champion. … no playoff, just a half baked BCS system. Just look at big time college football as entertainment and save the fact that the national championship system is seriously flawed.